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Rosalyn: Hello and welcome to Refolkus. Our guest today is Lisa LeBlanc, not long after earning major praise at the festival International De So De Granby, Lisa LeBlanc unveiled her greatly acclaimed self-titled debut album in 2012.
She then released Highways, Heartaches, and Time Well Wasted in 2014, followed two years later by the Polaris shortlisted Why You wanna Leave Runaway Queen? She opted to sing in English on these last two efforts, thus expanding her creative potential and reaching out to new audiences. Those three records sold over [00:01:00] 140,000 copies a few years later with a new background as a music producer.
She returned in 2022 with a highly anticipated sheik disco, which garnered critical and public acclaim, as well as another spot on the Polaris Music Prize shortlist and a Juno nomination. The success of the album led to several European tours, as well as a tour of the United States. During the same period, she gave close to 100 concerts across Canada.
The renowned Acadian singer-songwriter returned on October 11th, 2024 with Live avec l’Orchestre symphonique de Québec, an album recorded at the Grand Théâtre de Québec during an extravagant orchestral show. Welcome, Lisa. How are you doing?
Lisa: Hi. I'm good. Glad to be here.
Rosalyn: I'm so glad to get to chat with you. You know, it was interesting when I was just reading your bio there, it reminded me, I feel like you were the first, maybe only person I've ever asked for their autograph on an LP before.
Lisa: [00:02:00] When was this? I don't remember
Rosalyn: I think the year was, I'm gonna say 2012.
Lisa: Is awesome. I didn't even know that. That's so funny.
Rosalyn: it's a prize possession
Lisa: I am so honored.
Rosalyn: Yeah. Well, it's, I mean, it's amazing that there's not a lot of folks who uh, like real album sales, you know? And you've been making real albums and real good albums for a long time.
Lisa: Thank you very much. It's kind of wild. The whole record sales thing on that first album, it was 2012, so I think it was kind of like the tail end of that. It was amazing. I still can't believe it actually happened.
Rosalyn: Did you have an affinity for vinyl? Like are you, are you a record person at all?
Lisa: Yeah. I love vinyl. I think it's great. I really love discovering new things and especially like weird compilations from like, Salvation Army bins. That's kind of like my favorite kind of vinyl. I love finding like, 50 Hawaiian [00:03:00] classics on the steel pan. You know, like those are my kind of records. I also like listening to new albums too, but like that's kind of like what I go for for vitals.
Rosalyn: That medium speaks to your audience as well because they're buying records. So that's very cool. Does that help, like career wise? Is that kind of help keep you guys on the road to be able to keep selling records in a time when a lot of people are just kind of relying on streaming.
Lisa: I mean, I'm the worst with numbers. I don't even know how many we sold of the last ones. In general, I have no clue. I know that merch has been a huge success for us. T-shirts and, and vinyl is like, has been a big, big help for the touring.
It's kind of wild actually. Like I saw two grown men fighting over the last album at a show in Ottawa I was like, what's going on? Am I like the Rolling Stones right now? I felt good.
Rosalyn: Yeah. Well, you also make good merch. And I wanted [00:04:00] to talk to you a bit about your general, performance aesthetic, which has always been like top notch. Like you are in my mind, like the quintessential performer and you like put it all out there, a ton of energy, but whether it's like costumes or, bits that you do, like you were putting on a show, what's inspiring you when you're kind of putting together different kind of performance aesthetics for kind of different eras.
Lisa: I've had different vibes for sure over the years and I think it's like the last album, Chiac Disco was kind of album where It was a disco album and funk album, and it was kind of out of this world and silly, quirky, campy. It was really campy and it was like the perfect opportunity to try lights and costumes and really have fun with it.
And like dumb choreographies and like always with a touch of humor. 'cause I like, I'm not a dancer, like, I feel very folky at heart, and a bit awkward, you know, like, so it kind of [00:05:00] helped that whole aesthetic too. But it was really fun to go all out and just go full glam and use the disco aesthetic.
And I've always loved everything sixties and seventies as much as the music, as the visuals. It was really the album that I really wanted to be a part of. All the visuals around it and all the show aspect. And I worked with a guy called Gabriel, his company's called Champagne Club Sandwich, and he was the perfect person to work with and we really had fun just like trying to do some crazy show and really have fun with it and go kind of all out, just push ourselves to go somewhere where we might've been like, ah, it sounds a bit dumb, but like, no, no, no, let's go.
Like, sky's the limit on this one. So we've had a blast and I've always loved everything about the performance aspect of my career. It's like one of my favorite things. It's where I feel the home is on stage. I love entertainers. not just music, but in any art form. Like I love [00:06:00] being entertained and I'm pretty ADHD too, so like, I like, pretty fast paced stuff and like things that really grab me and I've just tried to use that as much as possible during our shows and it's my favorite thing to do.
Rosalyn: The person from Champagne Club Sandwich is that like a person that you're working with basically to like produce the show or like put it together?
Lisa: He is like artistic director basically. So we, worked together with like our, we have a lighting person then who's gonna do the conception of the lights and just like costumes and stuff and like I worked with a friend of mine who did the last costumes that is like a Lycra Glitter fringe thing. It's ridiculous. It's like a Power Ranger's suit, but with Fringe, basically. She's incredible. And her name's a Gen Haw.
She's a designer in Quebec and she works with a lot of circus acts, and so she knows how clothes will work on a stage and also for the lifetime of [00:07:00] a tour, like how sturdy things need to be and like, so it was really fun. Just going all sorts of art forms and learning so much about all of this was really, really fun and really inspiring to be kind of a part of, that's what I really wanted to happen.
Rosalyn: I feel like you need to, do like your own ERAS tour because I'm just, I'm, you know, thinking back, I got to, I got to see the disco show, I think at ACMA a few years ago. And then also on that show, it was banjos and cowboy hats and like, Lone Ranger. Style shenanigans going on there. And then now you're coming out with this symphonic album. I'm just imagining you in like your ball gown era. what kind of pivot was it into the symphonic world and like what inspired you to work with the symphony?
Lisa: So we had the chance to do a symphony show, four symphony shows Quebec, Montreal in Ottawa last year, and we decided to make a record out of it because it was such an incredible experience. It's a once in a lifetime thing. [00:08:00] So, the whole. Idea of Chiac Disco, like our huge dream was like, I would love to play with the symphony with this.
It's all disco strings. And like, there's so many possibilities with this. And like, I'm a huge, huge, huge Lee Hazelwood fan. For those who don't know him, he's the one who produced Nancy Sinatra stuff. And he wrote, these boots are made for walking and he has like an aesthetic with symphonies that's really unique and it's like, kind of a space cowboy thing.
I'm in love with him, obsessed. And he was a huge influence on the whole Symphony album. So when we did the record, we were like, well, imagine finishing the tour with symphony shows and it ended up happening and it was kind of like just. The sum of like, all these years of, touring and being able to do that was really amazing.
Reworking old songs too was amazing. the arranger is a guy called Wan Garan. He's done a lot of incredible arrangements with symphonies, and he's the one who did the string [00:09:00] arrangements on sha. So we, with him, it was, Phenomenal to be able to do that and what an experience.
Rosalyn: The symphonic album. Was that recorded in one show that you did?
Lisa: Yeah, it was one show and we were extremely stressed out.
Rosalyn: No pressure. No pressure at all, huh?
Lisa: Yeah, we're like, we have one show. So, good luck with that. And our drummer, I've never seen him so stressed out in his whole life we did the album with, with a drum, which already with a symphony can be extremely difficult and like, 'cause the timings are not the same in like a pop drumming rock and roll thing than with a symphony.
Like Beats are not the same. You're not. Thinking about it the same way. It wasn't written to have a drum beat on it. So we were really lucky. Our conductor was incredible and he had really great time and had worked with pop shows like that before. So him and our drummer were really tight [00:10:00] because everything was kind of relying on those two.
So, our drummer was sweating bullets and he did a great job. And it was awesome.
Rosalyn: You mentioned earlier your, Folky roots and that's, you know, I feel like when I see you out in the real world, not necessarily on stage, but when I see you out in the real world a lot of times it's at like folk events or, down in Louisiana and two step in somewhere.
I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about some of those influences. Your kind of trad journey there?
Lisa: Yeah. And just to like put people in context, Rosalyn and I have met at Black Pot Camp in Louisiana in 2015 and we became fast friends and jammed a lot and two steps a lot. So just so people know, like what, like we're chummy chummy right now. Like that's why we…
Rosalyn: Once you've two stepped…
Lisa: There's no going back from that. And since we're on the subject, like that's a [00:11:00] good, place to start is Black Pot Camp, which is a Adult music camp, basically for people who love Cajun music, dance, and food. That's the whole concept. It's in a campground in close to Lafayette, Louisiana, and a lot of people from all over the world go there to learn about these things. So you take workshops for four days, and then there's a festival that goes on for three days and you're just. Camping and taking workshops. I know I took a lot of like banjo workshops and like Cajun songs where you were like really learning French Cajun songs, which is funny because I was one of the few like francophones there, it was like, oh, I actually understand these lyrics. And it was really cool to like see other people from all over, like phonetically. Learning French songs. It was really cool. So I feel like that world of like the work shopping and like the Folkier stuff is like a huge love for me. And it's like, to me it feels like the ultimate way of playing music and.
[00:12:00] Jamming and learning and just kind of chilling. To me it's really different than from my touring and recording thing. Like the two feel pretty separate. But my ultimate love always, like, I love both, but for me, like that kind of context where like. You're just kind of like hanging out with each other and trying to learn tunes too, which is something I was really new to.
Like, I don't know the trad world that well, it's relatively new to me and I love it. I love the community and it's like there's something extremely welcoming and people really wanna learn these new tunes and new ways of playing in different styles. And it's very if you don't know about it, there's no way, like you couldn't even imagine what this kind of community thing that also kind of follows each other too.
Like I was in Ireland last year at a Baltimore Fiddle Fair, which is a really cool festival that a lot of people from that world where like, you [00:13:00] have to go there. If you've been to Black Pot, you'll love this. And it was like, I. It's a small world, so I just really love that community and it's like, I don't know, I like travel.
Like kind of look forward to trying to find those kinds of festivals now if I wanna just go travel and hang out, which is weird, I'd never thought that would happen. Like trying to find fiddle fairs. I'm like, what is this life like? I didn't like my family's like. What the hell are you? Like You're gonna a fiddle festival like you hated fiddle. So it's, it's awesome. It's such a cool, like beautiful discovery.
Rosalyn: like John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin, who's like, also secretly, like a mandolin picker that shows up at bluegrass festivals all the time. You know? And
it's it's a, I wonder if there's some sort of like relief or release in it where that kind of music, like Cajun or Old Time and stuff like that is like such a community, like communal music.
So it's not like now it's your turn to do your thing [00:14:00] and everyone's focused on you. It's like we're all, we're all communally just trying to make this groove and
Lisa: and just, playing
Rosalyn: Yeah.
Lisa: I think that's like my favorite thing. I've always been a jamer. I really love playing with other people. To me, that's like my favorite part of playing music. There's like. The shows, and then there's the jamming with friends and meeting new people and I guess I just kind of stumbled on this world that is exactly that and to be in the background too, and like not taking the lead and just trying to like, figure stuff out.
Trying to like follow, I really love it. I've been going to a lot of Irish trad jams in Moncton and it's like, it's opened up such a world of possibilities for me and it's so fun to learn about and it's also really cool to learn about the music From the East coast, which I didn't really know that well, like, have become friends with, which we've known each other for a long time, but like more and more kind of hanging out and they've opened up this huge world and there's such [00:15:00] encyclopedias of traditional Acadian music and also Irish and plenty of stuff, but.
It's been really interesting to kind of dive a little bit more into like, oh, this is the repertoire from like, where I'm from and I don't know this at all and most people don't know this. I find it really, really cool and like feel pretty passionate about it. It's like a new thing and it's great.
Rosalyn: Are there like for people who wanna know more about Acadian trad do you have festivals out there or like those, like fiddle fairs as you call them? Yeah.
Lisa: Yeah, so I'm not like the expert. I know there's a Rolo Bay in PEI I, the guys from the East Pointers do, which has, I haven't been yet, but looks really incredible. There's a really cool festival in PEI as well. PEI has a huge trad community and it's really beautiful.
A lot of dancers, a lot of fiddlers are like really cool crew over there. It's called Route 11. And that one's a really fun one. It's more, like food and [00:16:00] music and there's some really great bands going there. It's pretty awesome. And it's like, it's more French driven.
And I mean there's like, my hometown of Rogersville, this is not trad, but there's an incredible bluegrass festival in Rogersville, which is known around. The East Coast and in the US a lot of people, like thousands of people go, it's in a field in Rogersville and it's a huge thing.
And I grew up with that right next to me. And when we went to the Bluegrass Festival, I hated bluegrass. I was more into rock and roll and stuff, and we went to just like. Go get drunk when we were teenagers, but never really listened to it much. But then when I left New Brunswick and started missing New Brunswick, that's kind of where I realized, oh my God, this is actually really cool.
And started to go as an adult and really loving it and started to try to learn it a little bit. But there's some really, really cool stuff. I'm sure I'm gonna think of other ones, but those are like really cool ones.
Rosalyn: Yeah. It's so funny the music that seeps into your subconsciousness when you're a [00:17:00] teenager getting drunk is like, you know.
Lisa: Oh, there's also Celtic colors that I have not been to, and that's on my huge bucket list
Rosalyn: Yes, absolutely. When you're going to, you're talking about going to like these different jams. What instruments are you playing?
Lisa: Usually I bring my banjo or an acoustic guitar if I'm like just trying to survive. and hope to God there's someone who knows what they're doing and like, so I can just kind of follow them. I've been playing a lot of fiddle lately and I'm learning it and I'm not. At the point of bringing it to a jam yet, but that's kind of my goal at one point.
those are the, the ones I try to bring. And with the five string, it's kind of fun because I can still play rhythm and just kind of like follow and kind of also practice some roles and stuff at the same time. But sometimes if I can catch the melody and actually do it, then it's fun. But it, it's a kind of a cool in-betweener
Rosalyn: I feel like I need to apologize to anyone when they say that they're learning fiddle. I'm so sorry.
Lisa: It's [00:18:00] so hard. The worst but like I, I'm obsessed. I can't stop. I don't see the time pass when I play fiddle, even if I'm terrible at it. but there's like the competitive part of me that's like, no.
Rosalyn: Yeah, don't give up.
Lisa: I really like it. And it's like, especially for Cajun music, I think it's a really cool I love the style, I love how there's a, like the simplicity to it, but it's so badass and it's just like really gritty and like, I love it. So that's like what what I'm trying to learn.
Rosalyn: Do you feel like that challenges you or makes you maybe even like more appreciative? This is gonna sound bad, but does make you more appreciative of the stuff you're good at?
Lisa: Oh God, yes. When I pick up a guitar after I play fiddle, I'm like, oh my God, I am a goddess. Which I'm not, but like, I feel like, wow, like, get out of the way. Like it's, it's nice. It's nice to get a little like, [00:19:00] Ooh, okay, cool. I don't suck that much. It's cool. It's nice. Yeah. It's a very humbling instrument. I would say
Rosalyn: Yes. absolutely. And speaks to your character that you would, be okay to be humbled by that instrument, you know, in the way that like, it's hard for, it's hard for adults to, learn something new and, and there's always the saying with fiddle that like, it's better if you're a kid.
And I always say like, no, kids just don't care that they suck. Like adults care that they suck. They've, they've heard fiddle played well a bunch, you know, so, it's character building, right?
Lisa: Mm-hmm. And I'm like, okay. I'm curious to what, what kind of fiddling do you like? What did you, what's your
Rosalyn: Oh, like literally everything that you just said.
Lisa: Yeah. Okay.
Rosalyn: Irish, Cajun, old time and bluegrass. Yeah. Yeah. Very similar. And that's why we keep seeing each other in all these places.
Lisa: And it's awesome. And there's something cool that like, I think there, were a bunch of [00:20:00] people who really wanna learn new things too. And it's like, I love, like for sure next time I see you, I'm gonna like, ask you about fiddle things. And like we we're a bunch of friends that we just wanna like.
If they have guitar questions, we're like, we're just a bunch of people who are like trying to like learn new things and like, okay, can you show me like this chord? And it's like, it's so fun to do. Like I just love it.
Rosalyn: yeah. Next, next time we're fiddle Jam. It's gonna happen.
Lisa: and I can try to teach you a banjo thing or a guitar
Rosalyn: torture everyone around us. It'll be
Lisa: Exactly. It'll be great.
Rosalyn: I have a listener submitted a question for you And it's something we haven't talked about yet. So from our Instagram, how do you make the bilingual aspect of your music your superpower? I like the way
Lisa: Aw, that's awesome. that is cool. I think is superpower. I think it's so fun to be able to kind of bounce between the two. I love writing in French. I love [00:21:00] writing in English. it's fun because if I get. Tired of one, I can just kind of switch to the other and or whatever happens, like whatever kind of language is.
The last one was fully in French, and it was like, I was in Moncton. It was covid. I was like deep in like the Acadian, like I really wanted to use that language. And it was really inspiring at that moment. It still is. But right now, like I'm in a more like a English songwriting mood or both really.
But it's just like. It's fun when you're writing to be able to just kind of have these two toolbox and both have brought me. In really incredible places, like the fact that I was able to do a French record and then go do an English record. It was funny because I was playing all these English communities or whatever, like touring all over me, Canada, US Europe, and then there was like, all the Frenchies were there, you know, and it was like I couldn't have done those tours if I had only done it in [00:22:00] French we just wouldn't have gone to those venues But then all of a sudden it opened up this whole thing and it was like I was, now, I was doing an English record. People were talking to me about my French stuff and the English stuff, like, Hey, I learned some French because of your record, but I only knew of that record because of the English record.
those kinds of things are really cool and I get that a lot when I. In the US or like more Anglo European countries. It's really cool.
Rosalyn: Yeah. And you feel like, your fans can kind of become bilingual themselves in that way where like, no one's dropping you because she's made a French album, or no one's dropping you. 'cause she made an English album.
Lisa: No. And the beauty of visit, like I think I'm at a place where since I've done both, I can kind of do whatever I want at this point, which is really awesome and people have been following me and it's really great. I have a really beautiful crowd. They're amazing and they're really loyal and they're the coolest.
So I'm really lucky, really [00:23:00] fortunate.
Rosalyn: you're talking about having both languages in your toolkit. Do you approach using those tools in different ways for different types of, songs or different types of, vibes or is it just more haphazard than that? how intentional
Lisa: it's not very intentional. I think like with the disco album, it was a bit intentional 'cause I was like, I don't see myself doing an English disco funk record. but if it's in shack, which is like my accent, the Acadian, like Southern New Brunswick Acadian accent that's very specific to that place.
there's only one place in the world with that French accent. it felt so much more fun and like authentic to me. Like I, I was just really excited about it and I was like, oh my God, and I love the phrasing and like how groovy Shack can be, and it was just really fun.
Like it felt more natural to me to do that. and for English, I mean, it kind of depends, but. I'm like kind of half and [00:24:00] half right now. I've got like five or six songs in French, five or six songs in English, and I can't really decide where, where I'm going with them, but
Rosalyn: you have, feel like you have to make it an element like either or.
Lisa: I don't know, I like both. I feel like at one point it just kind of makes sense to me to go to one direction and then have extra, like I'll have both on the record, but I don't know if I wanna do like a full thing or like a half and half thing. I dunno.
Rosalyn: Yeah, time will tell
Lisa: I'm like in the thick of it, like really writing right now, actually. I'm in totally songwriting research mode a hundred percent. So
everything is kind of possible.
Rosalyn: what is research mode for you?
Lisa: Like everything we, we were talking about, like the black, I went back to Black Pot camp this year it was incredible and it, it was like a different experience to like try, since I'm starting to get a little bit more into like the tread stuff and starting to get it it was really interesting and really fun to do.
And just kind of like. Going to see shows in [00:25:00] Louisiana and, and everywhere really. Did like an artist residency last year in Newfoundland, which was phenomenal. We went to Corsica and the Mediterranean, it's like a French island, completely crazy for like two weeks and a half, like met amazing people.
So we've been like doing a lot of like residencies all over and it's, that's been really inspiring and I really like. Traditional music from wherever in general. I think that's something that always comes back to me. I love hearing what people played in a different places, and that's what I wanna hear if I'm traveling.
So it's the same for Ireland. And the kind of research it also just kind of like reading books about songwriting, reading, bios listening to a lot of stuff and trying to listen and like read lyrics at the same time. poetry, whatever. Just all of that is a cool, it's the research part.
Yeah. And collaborating with other people.
Rosalyn: do you have any favorite, books or like books that were particularly inspiring?
Lisa: the Rick Rubin [00:26:00] book is incredible. can't recommend it enough. I got Joni Mitchell's book, it's really cool. It's like her drawings and all her notebooks, but like all her lyrics from, I dunno, like the sixties and stuff, and it's like a really beautiful book and it's fun to just kind of. Look at her lyrics. And same with the Leonard Cohen too, as a, some, some cool ones. Obviously he's not so bad. And yeah, like, I'm like looking at like my books right now. Like whatever talks about songwriting and just reading other people's songs and really listening to how things are crafted
Rosalyn: You were talking about reading, really diving into lyrics. Are there particular lyricists that get you,
Lisa: I really like in French, there's there's Fred Forta. He's an artist that I really, really love him. I think he's one of my favorite songwriters in French. Well, he is my favorite songwriter in French. I think he writes the coolest lyrics. I really love his style. read Dove into Kurt Vile lately and I [00:27:00] forgot how great his lyrics are and just like. good stuff.
Rosalyn: Yeah, I mean, I think why I ask is that like, I feel like you have a very unique way of, of writing lyrics. first of all, like, I love, your use of language, but there's also like, such a relatability, I wanna say
to what you are, right. you know? is this all just Lisa or was, it an intentional like, I like it the way that somebody does this and I wanna do it? Or is it just all coming just straight from the, heart and brain?
Lisa: it's a bit of both. I think. Like there are so many different influences that like, I steal from everyone, like all artists too, you know, just like taking little, and I think in a song there's always like 15 direct influences that go like, A riff in a lyric, in whatever you always like find.
And I don't know. It's just I really like. Talking about day to day stuff. that's what inspires me is like conversations just kind of like, things that [00:28:00] pop in my head. I like the quirkier side too. Like I really like it when there's a little twist where it kind of makes you laugh and it kind of takes away a bit of the drama.
Of something that could be really dark or just very serious. I love having a few twists to it To me that's just kind of how I prefer communicating to is sort of like, I've always used humor as a bit of a shield or like a, a bit of a, a way to help communicating things that could be a little, like, difficult to talk about or whatever.
it's just kind of a, what I really like using for yeah, it always comes back.
Rosalyn: So you're mentioning that you're in, in this like writing process right now. what do you have coming up? Are you working towards a specific project? Yeah.
Lisa: I'm writing an album right now. Like I was saying, it's kind of like English and French. I don't know yet. it's folkier definitely. A lot of the trad stuff that we were talking about is kind of creeping in, I think the whole me playing fiddle, it's gonna happen. My goal with it is to [00:29:00] play it.
Which shows and to, like, I wrote a song with the fiddle, which is usually how I like, keep, playing an instrument is if I don't have a choice to play it live or in the studio. So, and my goal is to, to write another one on the fiddle and I'd love to collaborate with other people. I have like a wishlist of people that I.
Right with other people too lately, like, musically that's kind of what I've been doing for the last year. Kind of been exploring. I love, starting by myself with just like a little riff, but then bringing it to other people to just kind of like brainstorm it. 'cause I can stick on something for.
Weeks and nothing will happen except me being depressed 'cause nothing is advancing. So that's kind of how I love having at least another person there. So that's kind of what's happening right now, just doing a lot of jamming with people that I admire.
Rosalyn: I'll speak for all of us listening right now that we're very Excited to hear, hear what comes [00:30:00] out of it.
Lisa: I'm excited too. I'm liking the direction I, I'm having fun with it. I was a bit in like a gray area for a really long time. Wasn't really sure where it was going, and was kind of stressed out about it, which is just me writing, which is like probably the la the least zen that I am ever is when I'm writing.
I'm much more of a performer than a recording artist, which I've done. It's fun, but it's another world completely. but I feel like something's clicking now and it's, I'm liking where it's going and I feel like it's gonna be cool.
Rosalyn: Well, we can't wait to hear it. Lisa, it's been so wonderful to chat with you. I really appreciate you uh, coming here for a conversation.
Lisa: Thanks so much for having me. This was great. I love ending up talking about TRA for a while and it's like, it's not, I never get to talk about that and it's kind of like a different thing where it's like, it's not in like my shows or anything. So it, it's cool to be able to talk about it 'cause it's been a huge part of my life [00:31:00] in the last couple years.
So. It's fun to be able to get it all out.
Rosalyn: Well, thanks for sharing it with us and I'll see you at a fiddle fair somewhere down the line.
Lisa: I hope so. It'd be great.
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